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three words advanced aerial threat

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who in the cia nsa dia

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tells at least the united states of

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america that we're not alone in this

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universe we have never been alone in

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this universe

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the u.s government really has kept that

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secret not only from the american people

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which is bad enough but even kept it

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from itself

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the ufo community has been portrayed as

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conspiracy theorists and tin foil hats

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and we're crazy

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and the government is now admitting that

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uh ufos are real and disclosure is here

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suddenly

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they're our friend

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no america's defense establishment is

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finally admitting some of what it knows

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this could have been a chance to say

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we're going to collaborate with the

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representatives of the people in what is

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supposed to be a government of by and

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for the people if what they tell you is

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the truth

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there is no need to withhold it from

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public

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we've entered a quantum age making a

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leap not only in technology but also in

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consciousness companies are now creating

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non-sentient replacement humans they

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look just like you and i

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they're intended for customer service

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and things such as that but these neons

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as they're called could be more

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we're dealing with a fight there are

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forces behind the scenes that doesn't

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want any of this information to come out

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there's still a lot of truth that has

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it was one of those quote-unquote men in

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black but i i realize it's probably

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better now to be known as men in white

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bringing

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truth to the topic

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the problem with the truth is the truth

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just amazing welcome everybody i'm your

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host jimmy church and

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happy holidays this is a very special

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live stream tonight uh presentation

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for the film the observers

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and this also is streaming tonight uh to

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our community

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on a very special day this is december

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17th and

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if we all go back and think about the

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changes that started december 17 2017

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and where we are today

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uh huge strides huge steps forward

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i think we all recognize how special

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today is

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but it's also

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one of the catalysts

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for the making of the observers

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and the the

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overarching discussion with the

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observers out there in the community uh

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that centers around the film is where

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are we today

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uh what is disclosure uh what is being

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how do we keep our foot on the gas

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how do we get science and technology

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the other parts of the emotional

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discussion and the consciousness

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discussion of what is happening today in

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our world when it comes to the question

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of et contact etcs

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uh life in the universe and what may be

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visiting us here right now

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so as your host tonight i get to be an

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i am going to bring in three not only

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close friends but three of the brightest

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people in this community and then i get

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to back out

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and observe and listen to their

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conversation it's going to be an open

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frank and comprehensive conversation

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with our guest today first i would like

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professor avi loeb of harvard university

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and let's bring in avi first

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there's avi

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hello avi good evening and uh

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it's uh it's good to see and hear you uh

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once again and uh

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and i'm going to really enjoy this

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conversation tonight

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uh avi's coming to us live from the east

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coast over in the uk

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tonight we have william henry

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william come on in live from the uk

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a man all about uh

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all about town and certainly

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internationally metropolitan you just

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got back from egypt you came back you

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said hello i had you and avi on fade to

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black back to back two nights in a row

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and you were at home in nashville now

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you're over in the uk

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and uh and then

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uh just north of me here in california

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we have chris issa up in oregon chris

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come on in and i want to introduce uh

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everybody to chris

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um the look the feel the vibe

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of the observers

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rested on chris's shoulders

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um editor production i would i'm going

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to say this we were under an extreme

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uh to to make the world premiere and get

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the film out there it's been a huge

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success

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but all of that pressure

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was on you chris

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you did a great job the film is

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phenomenal and i want everybody in the

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audience they see your name in the film

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they see the credits but now they see

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the face and and the man behind so much

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hard work uh and so i want to thank you

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on behalf of the observers and and the

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team but also

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uh our audience today uh extend that to

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you chris thank you so much

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with that everybody i'm your host jimmy

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i get to observe an amazing conversation

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all right thanks jimmy we appreciate it

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hello everybody thanks for uh giving us

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your attention today on this friday and

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thank you william thank you avi thanks

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for joining me here for this

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conversation i'm pretty excited to have

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the three of us get into some juicy

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material and uh just wanted to open up

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the floor and you know with anything i'd

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like to kind of start as sort of the the

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beginning right the origin point um and

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i wanted to to pose a question to the

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both of you and maybe obvi we can start

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with you um but i wanted to i was

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wondering you know

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the course that you're on right now the

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trajectory that you are on right now

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what happened sort of early in your life

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experience you know anything that took

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place early in your years that kind of

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set your course you know anything that

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had happened maybe anything comes to

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reflect the way i behave right now are

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that uh i was born on a farm and it was

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very connected to nature more so than

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to social events and you know these

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these were the events that city

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boys and girls went to and i was pretty

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much with nature and um

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i'm still thinking about the space as an

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extension of that because

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it's it's that vast

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region that that surrounds us the

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biggest environment that was not

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contaminated yet by humans and

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it's really fascinating to figure out

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what's going on uh in the big

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thing that shaped my

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way of

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my career so to speak is that

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i was interested in the big questions so

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at a young age i was interested in

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philosophy i used to read philosophy

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books but then circumstances brought me

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into physics and astrophysics eventually

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the one thing i remember from my

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childhood is being in

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dinners and

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asking a difficult questions and

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the adults in the room would pretend

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that they know the answer and that was

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obvious to me that they had no clue and

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they just wanted to portray an image

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where they know something and uh that

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was a good situation the the worst

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situation was when they would dismiss

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and um you know then i became a

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scientist and i thought that by doing so

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i will be surrounded by like-minded

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people that are extending their

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childhood curiosity and are willing to

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ask questions take risks and not

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pretending that they know the answer in

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advance and unfortunately with respect

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to the question we'll discuss today

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i have exactly the same feeling of

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dismissing the questions simply because

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they are ignorant about the answer and

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and you know um there is a tendency i

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uh all the possible realities the

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virtual realities and you know we

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usually select ideas that flatter our

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ego like we are at the center of the

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universe uh we are the smartest kid on

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the block all of these things are ideas

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that we love because they flatter you

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know they boost our ego we feel good

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about it they give us pleasure

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facebook is advocating putting goggles

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reality that

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gives you pleasure but it's not the

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reality that we all share and uh

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very often what we find by looking

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around is that we are not at the center

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of the universe that we are not perhaps

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the smartest kid on the block and it

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takes time for people to get used to the

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reality that we all share

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yeah incredible yeah thanks for for

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sharing that and those little slices of

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your life

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really great to know that you were sort

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of an earth child of sorts right on the

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farm put your feet in the dirt your

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hands on the grass

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i think that's unfortunately something

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that's missing a lot in today's youth

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and the upbringing of a lot of kids and

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uh something i thought and think that

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it's incredibly valuable i think to to

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have sort of this um uh you know i think

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the earth helps to take care of us too

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and uh and kind of sets the course for

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our lives and and for me it was the the

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chance that i had to put my feet on the

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grass and and follow the trees up into

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the sky to look at the stars that that

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uh gave me my natural curiosity into the

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beyond right and and what's what's out

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there and um you know i guess on on that

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note uh william i'm very interested to

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hear sort of uh pieces from your life

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you know what took place for you or in

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the early years that the early years

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that kind of set your course

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right well thank you chris and thank you

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avi it's a pleasure to be with you both

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this evening i grew up in uh in detroit

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i was highly influenced by my father who

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was a kind of a maverick lawyer uh

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entrepreneurial type or i should say he

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really he hung out with a lot of

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maverick people he he worked at home

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and so i was always serving coffee to

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these mostly phds one guy was trying to

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mine gold from seawater uh my father's

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best friend who i called my uncle was

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gibson guitars master luthier they were

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trying to build the world's perfect

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guitar

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and it just seemed like our household

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was always filled with these people with

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these amazing ideas where anything was

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possible and i kind of got the the buzz

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from that of uh wanting to open up

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consciousness in a way and and explore

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and and push limits really and

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then when i got into college i was going

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to follow my father's path he'd bought a

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record label we moved to nashville and i

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was going to be an entertainment lawyer

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and i ended up at a small southern

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baptist college that offered an

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entertainment music business program

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that would get you ready to go work on

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music grow in nashville

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and the catch was you had to take bible

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study classes and i knew nothing about

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the bible i like to say that in our home

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the four apostles were whale and willy

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chris and johnny and

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i get into this

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university area where now it's all of a

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sudden about the bible and i'm compelled

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to start looking into that and i it was

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then that i learned about the the

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parallel or mystical side of

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christianity and that was so alluring to

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me that the this this question of what

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what was the origins of christianity and

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who were these angels and and why

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doesn't the uh the traditional church

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want us to know too much about the

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mystical side of of jesus and the

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connection that he that he had to to the

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higher worlds i mean in the book of

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hebrews jesus says i'm from above and

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you are from below and that the world we

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live in is the shadow of the real world

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well what's the real world uh those

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became really important questions to me

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as a as a young man in my early 20s and

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and still

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really are the power pack that drive me

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today and and ultimately that is the

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question and i think that we're all

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trying to answer as observers is where

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did we come from and and what are we

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doing here and ultimately when it's our

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time to transcend this this life where

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do we go

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and how are we going to get there and so

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those are the questions that i think

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started out early on and they evolved

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and i'm still working on them

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oh great yeah thanks and thanks for that

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um seems like we're all sort of uh

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bonded you know on this

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existential pursuit you know for the

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depth of our experience here in reality

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and uh what is really going on here

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right

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that seems to be somewhat of a long

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tunnel to crawl through and and

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you know a lot of different ways that we

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can perceive that so

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uh good to be in in good company here

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and you actually said some things in

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there william that i was really hoping

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that we would touch upon in this

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conversation and and uh that's

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specifically when you were talking about

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sort of the uh the mystical connections

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you know behind not just christianity

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but um but you know sort of like all

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religions and

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and uh what i'm really interested in i i

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would love to hear sort of the both of

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you both of your perspectives about this

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but um

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what sort of impact does

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you know do this field this does this

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field of study with extraterrestrials

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and and uh the ancient world and uh

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specifically et contact you know what

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implications does that have you know and

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would that have on

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the religions of today on

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spirituality in general you know what

382
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would that do what ripple effect you

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know would that moment you know have on

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us and yeah go ahead very interesting

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that you asked that because a couple of

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months ago i received the an email from

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a rabbi uh in ann arbor michigan who

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said that

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he just gave a sermon for the jewish

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high holidays about my book

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extraterrestrial and then i realized

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well maybe there is a spiritual

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connection there and uh just a month ago

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i attended the forum in the washington

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national cathedral together i i spoke

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with two um reverends on my panel and

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then

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it was really interesting because

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i realized that there is a connection

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between spirituality and exploration of

401
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space trying to figure out if there are

402
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extraterrestrial civilizations and

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another person on on that panel was jeff

404
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bezos and he was talking about space

405
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tourism but i thought to myself you know

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if we ever want to leave the solar

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system there is no business plan for

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that the only reason we would do that is

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as a result of spirituality appreciating

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something bigger than us

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and the the other thing that i noticed

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is um you know when we

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discuss our scientific advances

414
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we are almost at the point where we can

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create synthetic life in the laboratory

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and in the distant future we might be

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able to unify quantum mechanics and

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gravity and perhaps even create a

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universe a baby universe in the

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laboratory and so my point was that an

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advanced scientific civilization

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is a good approximation to what

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traditional religious scripts uh called

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god

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uh

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so such a civilization may be able to do

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things that look like magic

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that

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we previously assigned to a divine

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entity and

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and therefore you know if we look around

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and and search for a smarter kid on our

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block

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uh we could learn a lot from that kid

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and moreover uh we can look at that kid

436
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then with admiration in some sense

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william i would love to hear your

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perspective on this and you know in

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terms of what you think the implications

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would be and then perhaps you can go

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into some of the clues you know maybe

442
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maybe religions of today you know have

443
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some sort of breadcrumbs that they've

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left that uh that they're already

445
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alluding to perhaps an extraterrestrial

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contact of some sort maybe you can speak

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to those things

448
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yeah right it's

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it's so important for us to not

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want to dismiss or throw out the holy

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books

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be it any of the world's religions

453
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especially the the three primary books

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the abrahamic religions because they are

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loaded with references to

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extraterrestrial contact when we're

457
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talking about angels when we're talking

458
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about creator beings when we're talking

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about being made in the image of these

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beings the the data is there what has

461
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been lacking is either the willingness

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the the desire to to see the the truth

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of this connection or simply the the

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ability to do so but now we're being

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challenged by

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uh presences that are on this planet and

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we're looking back at these texts and

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realizing that they they are not just

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sacred texts spiritual text there are

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also history books that tell us about

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these early interactions that are that

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are ongoing this is an unfolding

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scenario um i can give one example that

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i'm really excited to

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to share with avi is that

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i one of my specialties is the ancient

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egyptian religion and their their

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creation concepts and in 2016 i wrote an

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article called ancient alien astro

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chicks and astro chickens in the ancient

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egyptian island of the egg

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and what this was the premise was is

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that the original egyptian creation

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texts describe

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a bird-like being that essentially lays

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a an egg out of which all of creation

487
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emerges on earth and when i was

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taking another look at this creation

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text in the context of a von neumann

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probe

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an astro chicken all of a sudden

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a whole new layer of understanding

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opened up because this creation text is

494
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describing exactly a von neumann probe

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scenario and then of course 2017 a

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muammua makes its presence known and

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then i wrote another article called

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umuamua in the ancient egyptian astro

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chickens and everybody thought i was

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talking about some new band i was

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forming or something they wanted to know

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well who's a muamua and it's like here's

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there's this ancient story that's now

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coming to life with a visitor from the

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stars that potentially could could be a

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von neumann probe and i don't know if

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bobby subscribes to that idea or not but

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that is one way in that we can talk

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about that the connection between

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current events and ancient occurrences

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is recorded in these sacred texts

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yeah just to comment on your reference

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to uh for neumann probes um i i'm of the

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opinion that

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we as biological creatures were not

516
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designed you know to uh live in space i

517
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mean we uh

518
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be here on this rock but uh on the other

519
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hand we are creating for example

520
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artificial intelligence systems that

521
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drive cars right now and in the future

522
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we could send them to space i call these

523
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ai astronauts they will be autonomous

524
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they will be able to think

525
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perhaps even better than humans because

526
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they will be able to process a lot of

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data and

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if we are able to imagine that in a

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decade or two a civilization that

530
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predated us by a billion years because

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most of the stars are billions of years

532
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older than the the sun and then you know

533
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we know that the half of the sun-like

534
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stars have a planet the size of the

535
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earth roughly at the same separation so

536
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it's quite likely that there was

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something

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like us or even more advanced than us a

539
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billion years ago that could have

540
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created ai astronauts and if they they

541
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are equipped with 3d printers they could

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repair themselves and

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create more of the same and you can

544
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imagine the entire galaxy being full of

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those things and as you say

546
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the question is what's the plan and what

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is the blueprint that they were designed

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to fulfill and um

549
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uh of course that could give us a whole

550
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different meaning to our life as as you

551
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point out and

552
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and once again we are connecting to

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spirituality i think and

554
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it's only those people that prefer to

555
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look down you know that do not look up

556
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uh those are the ones that

557
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would dismiss any discussion on these

558
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topics and to me it's not very different

559
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from the dinosaurs you know that 66

560
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million years ago used to eat grass and

561
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,159
ignore the sky and they thought they are

562
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:58,240
dominant they were very arrogant they

563
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,520
are dominant relative to their

564
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,360
environment and then a rock the size of

565
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,799
manhattan island

566
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,279
uh hit the ground and tarnish their ego

567
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:07,919
trip and the point the the lesson from

568
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,350
on that note avi you know you you

569
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,200
reminded me of a thought i had sort of

570
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,880
in my my you know some of my earlier

571
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,480
years you know when i was looking at

572
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,640
evolution and looking at various animals

573
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,000
and where they are in the state of

574
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,880
evolution and looking at ourselves and

575
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,360
and specifically our vertebrae our

576
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,320
spines right and with thinking about the

577
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,400
evolution and how maybe perhaps

578
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,200
the sky itself sort of facilitated the

579
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,080
evolution like in in in the pursuit of

580
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,360
looking up at the sky we actually uh our

581
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,279
vertebrae actually like you know rose

582
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,080
and and it facilitated perhaps you know

583
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,720
in evolution so maybe the skies in the

584
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:51,279
stars and and that wonder you know

585
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,640
actually moved us forward you know

586
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,600
in this context i'll mention in anecdote

587
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,919
a month ago there was a person on the

588
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,240
street in front of my house and my wife

589
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,840
called me and said that

590
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,679
uh you know you should check out who

591
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,679
this person is maybe you know he's

592
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,559
following you or because of your book or

593
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,320
at any event i went out and asked him

594
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,559
who you who is he and

595
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,720
and he said that he used to live in our

596
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,520
house 50 years ago as a kid and then i

597
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:22,000
showed him the backyard and he said

598
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,039
you know

599
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,919
50 years ago my father buried a cat

600
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,279
named tiger

601
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,760
uh in the back in in the backyard and i

602
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,760
said well i know this name because i saw

603
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,799
a little tombstone in the backyard that

604
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,000
says tiger and i showed it to him

605
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,840
of course i was relieved because i was

606
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,600
worried that something bigger is buried

607
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,679
under this tombstone i didn't realize

608
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:46,240
it's a cat but my point is

609
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,240
that if you meet if you welcome guests

610
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,760
there is a chance they will tell you

611
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,960
something new about the space that you

612
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,919
co-habit that both of you share

613
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,320
uh and i think it's an important lesson

614
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,640
about extra terrestrial guests because

615
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,240
they may know much more about our

616
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,679
environment they've been around for

617
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,080
longer they might tell us where there is

618
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,600
a tombstone with the name tiger on

619
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,360
gosh you know that prompts a question

620
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,360
inside me i'd love to sort of uh put

621
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,440
this out to the both of you in in that

622
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,360
moment right in inviting the guests

623
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,120
right and listening to what they have to

624
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,360
say and what i picture is of course you

625
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,600
know perhaps our friends from the skies

626
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,600
you know engaging in conversation with

627
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,520
us and just wondering you know is there

628
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,120
are there any theories and like how do

629
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,279
you how do either of you perceive that

630
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,279
that that to take place do you think

631
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,760
it's lips moving do you think it's going

632
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:39,919
to be perhaps words coming into our

633
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,799
minds or a feeling or

634
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,600
written

635
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,440
what do you think either of you i'm

636
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,400
curious

637
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:48,640
well what's hap what's happening today

638
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,720
is we have

639
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,880
a global ai brain a new layer of our

640
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,679
neocortex is being added and you have to

641
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,640
factor that in i mean 200 000 years ago

642
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,200
our neocortex is activated nobody knows

643
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,480
exactly how or why uh it's a mystery to

644
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,279
neuroscience but now we're adding a new

645
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,159
layer to our neocortex with neural link

646
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,159
and other ai technologies that may or

647
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,840
may not be a good thing but the fact is

648
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,400
is that why is it that at this moment in

649
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,240
time in our evolution we're all being

650
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
synced together is it possible that

651
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:22,799
there is an extraterrestrial influence

652
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,080
that is uniting us in one global brain i

653
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,360
mean if you're an extraterrestrial

654
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,039
civilization you're not going to want to

655
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,200
negotiate with 185 individual

656
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:32,480
governments you're going to want to deal

657
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,080
with a monolithic government a single

658
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,080
global entity and and that's what's

659
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,120
being created right now good bad or ugly

660
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,799
and perhaps that that is uh part of this

661
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,480
disclosure i'm sure it's part of the

662
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,360
disclosure but perhaps it's it's a an

663
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,960
extraterrestrial influence maybe

664
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:52,880
artificial intelligence really is an

665
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,230
what i would

666
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,559
add is you know in in cosmology in the

667
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:02,720
study of the universe we measure time in

668
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:05,679
billions of years okay so

669
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,880
if we if we meet uh another

670
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,120
traces of another civilization you know

671
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,120
they are probably a billion years more

672
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,360
advanced than we are okay so that's a

673
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,039
huge amount of time just think how much

674
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,720
we accomplished in a century uh and

675
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,799
therefore i have a little hope that

676
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,039
we'll figure out immediately what the

677
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,080
intent is what the context is what what

678
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,480
is this equipment that we're seeing uh

679
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:31,360
and

680
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,399
i think it's

681
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,840
it's much more likely that we will

682
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,840
behave just like a caveman finding a

683
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,440
cell phone

684
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,200
the caveman would say it's a rock of a

685
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,279
type that i've never seen before

686
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,080
and that's enough you know to to

687
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,760
validate the fact that it's something

688
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,600
unusual because the caveman can press a

689
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,760
button see that it records his voice

690
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,760
press another button records his image

691
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,399
it will be clear that it's not a rock uh

692
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,960
and we can tell that it's not an

693
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,279
asteroid a comet it's something else

694
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,360
it's not a natural phenomena it will

695
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,039
take of course

696
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,600
enough um you know

697
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,840
some of our best instruments to figure

698
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,919
this out but eventually it will be clear

699
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,279
that it's not something we've seen

700
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,200
before and it's not something familiar

701
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,880
and then there would be this big

702
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,440
challenge of figuring out the intent

703
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:19,520
and you know we don't want to be

704
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,200
like the citizens of troy that

705
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,399
accepted the trojan horse as a gift we

706
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,159
want to figure out what the intent is

707
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,640
and for that we might employ our own ai

708
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,720
systems to figure out their ai systems

709
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,679
because

710
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,679
it's just like relying on kids to figure

711
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,080
out content that we see on the internet

712
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,760
that we can because simply because

713
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,240
they're more computer savvy uh i'm not

714
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,080
optimistic we'll figure it out very

715
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,760
quickly i mean and then there will be an

716
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:48,000
issue of protocol you know what to do

717
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,600
how whether to engage how to respond

718
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,279
and i'm always worried that you know if

719
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,679
you establish a committee irrespective

720
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,960
of how

721
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,520
um you know what politicians say what

722
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,360
most people say there would be always

723
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,840
someone from the sidelines that might do

724
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,799
something

725
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,240
different and

726
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,760
you know there is

727
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,520
an issue of how

728
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,399
uh to control the response of humanity

729
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,760
to such a thing

730
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,679
you know on on that note i'm curious avi

731
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,760
you know what in your person with your

732
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,960
line of work with what you're doing with

733
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,120
your project you know how important is

734
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,360
it to be an observer you know why is it

735
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,679
important yeah it's the most important

736
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,679
uh so the point is

737
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,559
um

738
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,000
you know the one thing i learned over

739
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,480
the past few decades as an astronomer is

740
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,120
a sense of modesty because very often

741
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,840
you know we

742
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,720
live in a virtual reality we we prefer

743
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,520
to believe in ideas that flatter us

744
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,279
and the

745
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,120
the only way to correct that is by

746
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,039
collecting data and realizing you know

747
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,120
that we are wrong it's a learning

748
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,640
experience unless you are willing to

749
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,159
accept the possibility that you're wrong

750
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,799
by collecting more data you will have

751
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,799
never learned that

752
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,480
anything new and you know there are

753
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,919
people saying

754
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,720
uh

755
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,760
you know this subject is

756
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,679
considering extraterrestrials is an

757
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,000
extraordinary claim therefore we need

758
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,320
extraordinary evidence to engage in it

759
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,399
and i say the evidence will not come to

760
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,679
you uh it's you know er enrique fermi 70

761
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:20,159
years ago said where is everybody and

762
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,200
that's very

763
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,519
presumptuous instead he should have said

764
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,840
how can we allocate a billion dollars to

765
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,240
search for these things because if you

766
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,480
just sit at home and say nobody nobody

767
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,480
is knocking on my door therefore i don't

768
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,720
have neighbors that's not a very smart

769
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,880
move what you need to do is look through

770
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,480
the window and

771
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,200
better better still use a telescope when

772
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,120
you look through the window and then my

773
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,679
point is observations are really crucial

774
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,640
because

775
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,440
then you have a way of finding out that

776
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,240
your

777
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,320
preconceptions were wrong and that's

778
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,240
exactly what galileo said to the

779
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,480
philosophers four centuries ago he said

780
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,480
look through my telescope and they said

781
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,880
no we know that the sun moves around the

782
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,440
earth and and guess what suppose they

783
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,880
wanted to send to launch a rocket to uh

784
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,960
one of the celestial bodies that they

785
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,120
they saw uh it would go the wrong way

786
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,640
because they had the wrong ideas about

787
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,480
the motion of these bodies relative to

788
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,200
the earth and the point is reality is

789
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
whatever it is you know we can stay

790
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,279
ignorant we can ignore the reality we

791
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,000
can put galileo in house arrest today he

792
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,039
would have been canceled on social media

793
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,640
you know but that's irrelevant how many

794
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,559
likes you get on twitter is completely

795
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,320
irrelevant reality is whatever it is and

796
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,360
we have to figure it out so if we do not

797
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,240
engage in the search for equipment from

798
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,480
extraterrestrial civilizations you know

799
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,480
that will not remove them it will just

800
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,720
maintain our ignorance

801
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
gosh ah so on that note so we're going

802
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,480
to go into a break in just a few in just

803
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,559
a few moments but i wanted william you

804
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,399
know on this note right of of

805
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,799
technologies and and and going out and

806
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,080
seeking them right they're not going to

807
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,559
come to you uh clearly right you just

808
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,519
came back from egypt um i you know have

809
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,039
you been in pursuit of these

810
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,880
technologies have you found anything you

811
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,279
know um what can you say about that and

812
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,679
in your own experience of seeking out

813
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,039
technologies

814
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,600
well the ancient egyptian religious

815
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,360
philosophy was based on human

816
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,600
transformation they believed in

817
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,080
that they a science of tones lights and

818
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,320
plants that could transmute our body

819
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,880
into a non-molecular light body that's

820
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,640
how they traveled the stars they weren't

821
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,559
interested in building generation

822
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,080
starships or anything like that they

823
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,320
viewed our body as the starship you talk

824
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,919
about our vertebrae the spinal cord

825
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,679
that's the stairway to heaven to the

826
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,360
ancient egyptians so they had a very

827
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,480
precise uh medicine as as well as a

828
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,120
spirituality combined together to

829
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,279
transmute the body into light there are

830
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,799
two ways to travel the stars you're

831
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,000
either going to go out in the stars as

832
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,480
robots as an ai being or you're going to

833
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,159
go as a light being and the the light

834
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,399
being that that's my specialties looking

835
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,640
at that and cross-culturally how all of

836
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,240
these religious traditions tell us that

837
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,679
we all come from different star

838
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:01,840
civilizations and we will return to the

839
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,640
stars once we learn how to activate the

840
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,799
body's latent capability to transmute

841
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,200
itself into a body of light

842
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,280
beam or project itself to another star

843
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,599
system then phase back into a physical

844
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,919
flesh and blood form if we choose that's

845
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,440
something i would love to talk with jeff

846
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
bezos about in fact because he and elon

847
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,679
musk they're talking about transmuting

848
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,480
us into ai or trans human beings in

849
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,480
order excuse me in order to migrate into

850
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,440
space but but to me that that may not be

851
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,000
the the ultimate way to go that we have

852
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:33,919
to combine our spirituality and our

853
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,119
natural ability our organic ability of

854
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,960
ascension as it's called in all of these

855
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,919
traditions to to transmute the body into

856
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,560
a higher frequency form and travel the

857
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,240
stars

858
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,679
that's that's great you know i think

859
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:48,480
that

860
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,639
there uh

861
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,639
perhaps there's some lost abilities like

862
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,560
you said maybe there's some

863
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,480
latent things that that uh that are

864
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,440
waiting to wake up and um it makes me

865
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
think about if that's possible if that's

866
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,839
true uh what took place in history to

867
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,760
create that sort of amnesia you know

868
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,079
what what uh yeah and right chris we're

869
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,440
not going to kick in the warp drive till

870
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,960
we kick in the spiritual drive that's

871
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,480
the thing and that's the amnesia we have

872
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,760
forgotten

873
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,160
all about what is actually unfolded

874
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,720
within our body already our body is that

875
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,560
vehicle that we're seeking that will get

876
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,960
us into the stars we just have to to

877
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:27,040
seek that out and this is a message that

878
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,640
runs through christianity it runs

879
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,720
through certainly the buddhist tradition

880
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,200
especially uh their their light body

881
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,200
rainbow light body traditions they all

882
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,720
speak of this and there are examples

883
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,480
even in modern times of humans who have

884
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,040
activated or transmuted the body into

885
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,160
its light being form

886
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,160
thanks for those perspectives william uh

887
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,440
in just a moment i'm actually going to

888
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,599
take us into break so everyone just hang

889
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,760
tight we'll be back in about three four

890
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,640
minutes and uh i'm gonna play an excerpt

891
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,560
from a very special round table

892
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,640
discussion that we had with the cast of

893
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,920
the observers

894
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,839
so stay tuned we'll be back in just a

895
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,160
few moments and uh thanks guys for this

896
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:05,839
conversation it's been great

897
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,230
we have to look at biological evidence

898
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,560
too the activation of the neocortex what

899
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,320
makes us all human

900
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,480
science says it's unnatural i don't know

901
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,079
how it happened they say oh could be

902
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,720
cosmic rays group sex psychedelics

903
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,400
everything but what it probably was

904
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,560
which is extraterrestrials i mean you go

905
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,000
back into the egyptian record for

906
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,400
example you've got a god called

907
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:35,200
from

908
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,599
he fashioned the bodies of men you look

909
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,359
to his hieroglyph guess what there's a

910
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,280
double helix in his hieroglyph

911
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,640
egyptologists say well he couldn't

912
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560
possibly have known about dna then then

913
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,480
why is a double helix in his hieroglyph

914
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,000
and why is he the god that fashioned the

915
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,839
human body what yes

916
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,440
yeah that's a great story william

917
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,240
because again this is you can see the

918
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,160
hieroglyph it's there and the double

919
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,160
helix is there and it's the double helix

920
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,000
doesn't repeat in other hieroglyphics we

921
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,119
didn't discover it until what 1952 53

922
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,520
right when watson and crick discovered

923
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,680
it it changed everything and now we know

924
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,599
you know what's okay so what makes us

925
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,720
who we are

926
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:17,520
physicists and the hard scientists want

927
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,560
to avoid the discussion of consciousness

928
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:22,800
they don't want to go there no it's it's

929
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,000
chemistry it's it's not it's nothing

930
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,200
right

931
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:29,839
watson and crick crick

932
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,280
dreamed dna yeah that came in a

933
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,160
subconscious state and then the design

934
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,920
yeah but they don't want to go there

935
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,280
it's like wait a minute it was

936
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,240
discovered in an altered state right and

937
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,520
dreamt about it and then he comes up

938
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,440
with a theory of directed panspermia

939
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,040
saying that this did not happen by

940
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,040
accident this isn't something this was

941
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,520
intentional where's this coming from

942
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,079
tesla was the same way tesla

943
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,320
all the dream statements right tesla

944
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,680
would uh from

945
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,680
the time he was a little boy

946
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,320
would have these white flashes

947
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,680
appear to

948
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,440
uh and i think for a while like he he

949
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,200
almost couldn't distinguish is this the

950
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,599
actual reality or what is this right but

951
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,960
he um he

952
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,720
occasionally would say

953
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:14,079
that

954
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,599
he would get these flashes of

955
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,599
inspiration but but these ideas would

956
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,520
come to him he would say

957
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,400
like radio yeah that was his idea

958
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:25,200
alternating current was his idea um but

959
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:37,270
[Music]

960
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,540
so

961
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:12,540
[Music]

962
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,069
oh i'm muted thanks

963
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,240
welcome guys we're back um

964
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,920
hope you enjoyed that little excerpt we

965
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,680
had from this amazing roundtable

966
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,920
discussion that was two and a half hours

967
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,920
long and just jam-packed with all sorts

968
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,040
of amazing uh topics and concepts and i

969
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,359
was really fruitful experience there

970
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,160
um but i wanted to jump back in and just

971
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,359
to kind of

972
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
roll with where we sort of left off in

973
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,240
terms of the the ancient technologies

974
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,400
right that are here that perhaps

975
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,440
facilitated our evolution and and um

976
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,680
just really curious uh avi just to just

977
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,200
to kind of perhaps have your

978
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,839
perspectives you know maybe specific to

979
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,839
sort of the ancient egyptians and

980
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,160
perhaps any other ancient culture uh do

981
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,960
you feel that they were tapping into um

982
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:18,960
this world of you know extraterrestrial

983
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:21,839
contact or how were they observers and

984
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,950
oh

985
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,960
one second

986
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:31,280
um sorry you cannot hear me i hear you

987
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,160
now

988
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,520
okay sorry

989
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,319
um

990
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,720
i i don't have any special insight i'm

991
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,520
not a historian and i do believe that

992
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,000
you know unfortunately we uh don't have

993
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,480
all the information we need in order to

994
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,520
answer your question but um i i'm a much

995
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,400
more

996
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:49,280
uh

997
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:50,000
of

998
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,200
farm boy a child that maintains his

999
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,280
curiosity and the way i want to resolve

1000
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:00,319
these issues is by you know

1001
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,480
getting new data using telescopes and um

1002
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,319
i think you know if there is something

1003
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
out there we will figure it out we so

1004
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,119
let's instead of worry about

1005
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,200
what other people may have seen in the

1006
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,000
past and not recorded in a way that is

1007
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,240
beyond the reasonable doubt instead

1008
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,680
let's get

1009
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,520
evidence that is beyond the reasonable

1010
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,200
doubt and then of course we can go back

1011
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:25,520
in time and say okay here is what we

1012
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,760
know now and was it already reflected in

1013
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,480
testimonials or

1014
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,560
other relics that were left from other

1015
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,960
cultures that predated us here on earth

1016
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:39,359
and it's quite possible um

1017
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,240
now

1018
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:41,920
you have to understand that recorded

1019
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,160
human history uh is only at most 10 000

1020
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,920
years old and that is one millionth of

1021
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,640
the age of the earth so uh just think

1022
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680
about it

1023
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,599
when enrico fermi asks where is

1024
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,599
everybody he's basically asking where is

1025
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,160
everybody right now right here in los

1026
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,480
alamos and why would

1027
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,880
he see the evidence in front of him at

1028
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,680
the same moment uh you know that there

1029
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,920
could have been a lot of visits in the

1030
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,119
past uh through scattered throughout the

1031
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,359
history of the earth and

1032
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,000
of course you know now we have a fishing

1033
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,160
net we have our telescopes that are just

1034
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,560
like a fishing expedition where we can

1035
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,359
try and catch some fish in the days of

1036
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,000
fermi he didn't even have a

1037
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,240
fishing net he was just asking where

1038
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,240
where are all the fish but without the

1039
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,119
ability to catch them and

1040
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,640
you know there is this tale about the

1041
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,880
fishermen that they went to see and came

1042
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,599
back and said i realize i discovered the

1043
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,920
new law of nature all fish are bigger

1044
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,560
than two inches and then someone asked

1045
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,240
him what's the size of the horse in your

1046
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,480
fishing net and he said two inches

1047
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,160
so obviously in order to catch something

1048
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,800
you need the a net that is

1049
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,640
sufficiently dense

1050
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,839
and um

1051
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,920
right now we have a telescope systems

1052
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,520
that can tell us and

1053
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,280
the first object we discovered from

1054
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,119
outside the solar system

1055
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,720
uh was

1056
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,520
in 2017 and it didn't look like any of

1057
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,839
the rocks we have seen before and my

1058
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,680
colleagues still push back on the

1059
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,440
possibility that it might be artificial

1060
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,599
in origin by saying well maybe it's a

1061
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,200
rock of a type that we've never seen

1062
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,599
before a hydrogen iceberg a nitrogen

1063
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,560
iceberg a cloud of dust particles and i

1064
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,560
say well if it's something we've never

1065
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,319
seen before we better live on the table

1066
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,079
the possibility that it's uh

1067
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,880
extraterrestrial technology and then the

1068
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,560
way to find out is

1069
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,640
by getting a high resolution image of

1070
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,160
the next one

1071
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,640
that looks as weird as

1072
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,160
because they say a picture is worth a

1073
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,040
thousand words in my case it's worth 66

1074
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,200
000 words the number of words in my book

1075
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,359
extraterrestrial

1076
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,560
all right you know on that note i'm

1077
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,560
really curious sir do you you know would

1078
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,119
there be any surprise on your end if uh

1079
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,520
if it turns out that ancient tech was is

1080
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,520
discovered here on earth

1081
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,319
oh

1082
00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:03,040
uh i would not be surprised i just want

1083
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:04,870
to press some buttons

1084
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,720
[Laughter]

1085
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,800
no buttons required

1086
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,400
most of his consciousness it seems in

1087
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,680
the ancient world when you look in these

1088
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,440
texts i love that yeah a picture is

1089
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,520
worth a thousand words it it reminds me

1090
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:19,200
that when harold sunny white down there

1091
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,359
gpo or excuse me at uh at houston was is

1092
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,880
working on the eagle works trying to

1093
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,119
come up with concepts for a

1094
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,440
traversable wormhole and a warp craft

1095
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,359
he's creating images of crap that look

1096
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,359
exactly like ezekiel's wheels and

1097
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,079
ancient art how can that be is it

1098
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,599
possible that we're in some kind of a

1099
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,839
loop where as you mentioned earlier we

1100
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,760
we go through periods where we we're

1101
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,319
awakened then we we rise to a certain

1102
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,960
level of civilization then we we lose

1103
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,599
our our civilization and then we go into

1104
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,599
a collective amnesia and perhaps we're

1105
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,880
now in a moment now where we're

1106
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,680
remembering uh some of what happened in

1107
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,520
the in the ancient past and this is why

1108
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,359
this technology is starting to kick in

1109
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,160
now and why so many examples can be made

1110
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,640
of modern technology that have ancient

1111
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,800
correlates on ancient aliens we've got

1112
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,079
16 seasons worth of of episodes 100 a

1113
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,560
couple hundred episodes now of story

1114
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,560
after story from cultures all over the

1115
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,560
world of extraterrestrial contact in the

1116
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,319
ancient world tech examples of

1117
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,720
technology references to technology

1118
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,400
sciences that have had dreams or

1119
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,560
experiences with other worldly or

1120
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,160
extraterrestrial beings that lead to

1121
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,400
important discoveries like francis crick

1122
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,119
and like like mathematicians and others

1123
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,160
so you have to really factor in that

1124
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,319
that perhaps the the buttons will be

1125
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,480
there once we can activate the buttons

1126
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,319
in our own consciousness and i think

1127
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,359
we're very close to to being able to do

1128
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,119
that and perhaps we're right on top of

1129
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,520
the button right now

1130
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,119
i think that's great william yeah you

1131
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,160
know i i was just thinking about um what

1132
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,760
it seems to be is that some of these

1133
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,200
experiences right some of these

1134
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,760
observations um with uh with

1135
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,119
extraterrestrial or um uaps or whatever

1136
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,480
it might be it it seems to be sort of uh

1137
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,119
contingent upon a person's consciousness

1138
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,920
at the time um there seems to be sort of

1139
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,400
uh you know a connection between the

1140
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,440
dimensionality that uh that these crafts

1141
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,200
or these uh beings or whatever where

1142
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,800
they exist and our state of mind or our

1143
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,720
consciousness at the time could

1144
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,200
potentially induce or potentially create

1145
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,880
those opportunities of observation to

1146
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,720
take place right it's like the fermi

1147
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,319
paragraphs mentioned earlier these

1148
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,400
sciences have to have a willingness to

1149
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,400
look for extraterrestrials some are like

1150
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,160
they just dismiss it say forget it that

1151
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
never happened well how do you know that

1152
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,400
you have you really ever read any of

1153
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,160
these ancient texts you really read the

1154
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,920
bible have you looked into the

1155
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,680
bhagavad-gita have you read any of the

1156
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,240
tibetan texts about this no and rabbi

1157
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
mentioned earlier have you really looked

1158
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:52,640
into early jewish history and what

1159
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,760
happened in 600 bc when they eliminated

1160
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,240
and in connection with the stars and and

1161
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,079
the in connection with the host of

1162
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,359
heaven was forbidden and why that is

1163
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,680
these are very important questions it's

1164
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,640
just all about as you're saying here the

1165
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,440
the willingness of the participants to

1166
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,440
open up a little bit we

1167
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,079
we're we're so close and we just need

1168
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,000
some of these great minds in our world

1169
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,640
that already have such tremendous

1170
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:23,680
knowledge in their specific fields to

1171
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,960
take a couple of steps out and get out

1172
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,599
of the box and and recognize that the

1173
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,599
answers are are perhaps already here

1174
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,359
it's just our willingness has to be

1175
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,680
amped up

1176
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,000
go ahead avi you have

1177
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,559
i just wanted to say that um

1178
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,680
you know

1179
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,800
um

1180
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,280
maintaining my childhood curiosity uh

1181
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,920
means that i don't care so much about

1182
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,480
what the adults in the room tell me

1183
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:52,800
so there could you know there could be

1184
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,839
historical stories uh

1185
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,040
and i would realize uh after exploring

1186
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:00,880
the world myself you know that's that's

1187
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,839
what kids do you know they they get um

1188
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,839
they put skin in the game they often get

1189
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,839
bruised and because they don't believe

1190
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,599
their dots they want to check it for

1191
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,520
themselves and

1192
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,440
that's exactly what i'm trying to do

1193
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,440
with the galileo project now and you

1194
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,839
know trying to collect the evidence

1195
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,200
and then my point is you know if indeed

1196
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,599
we you know the advantage of doing it

1197
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,119
for the first time with a group of more

1198
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,960
than 100 scientists you know that never

1199
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,280
happened before searching through

1200
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,319
telescopes for evidence uh the advantage

1201
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:33,839
of that is that we are taking a road

1202
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,880
that was not taken recently and

1203
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,040
you know there is this poem by robert

1204
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,520
frost that the two

1205
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,160
roads diverged in in the woods and he

1206
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,040
took the one not taken and that made all

1207
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,880
the difference for me the biggest

1208
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,040
difference is that if you go in a path

1209
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,280
that nobody else took there might be low

1210
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,720
hanging fruit

1211
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,880
because nobody picked it up you are the

1212
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,880
first to go there so my hope is that

1213
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,880
with these new telescope systems that we

1214
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,960
are building with the galileo project

1215
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,440
we'll find some low-hanging fruit now

1216
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,240
once we pick them up and if we catch

1217
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,800
some fish that are exotic that are not

1218
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,359
from this earth so to speak

1219
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,680
then we can try and look back in time

1220
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,240
and say okay let's look back and see you

1221
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,319
know whether something like that

1222
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,280
appeared already uh but

1223
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,280
you know as i said you know i'm i

1224
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:27,359
haven't changed much since i was a kid

1225
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,240
and

1226
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,640
i don't want to change i want to figure

1227
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,520
it out myself okay and i don't want to

1228
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,520
believe to stories that other people

1229
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,440
tell me and

1230
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,760
gladly you know the sky most of the sky

1231
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,599
is not classified so the government

1232
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,920
cannot tell us not to look at the sky

1233
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,880
and

1234
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,280
you know if there is anything out there

1235
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,549
you know i find myself really curious uh

1236
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,359
just down to sort of the the brass tacks

1237
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,640
of those telescopes that you're

1238
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,040
referring to um can you talk a little

1239
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,960
bit about like the technology behind it

1240
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,040
you know like what what is so different

1241
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,119
in this paradigm of telescope than what

1242
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,040
we've been using before is it are you

1243
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,760
using optics are you using some sort of

1244
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,440
you know different camera that we

1245
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,880
haven't developed before or maybe you

1246
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,280
can talk a little bit about that yeah so

1247
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,520
um you know one question that i'm asked

1248
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,680
often is astronomers were looking at the

1249
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,240
sky uh through you know telescopes for a

1250
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,319
long time and why haven't they seen

1251
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,559
these unidentified aerial phenomena for

1252
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,680
example or

1253
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,440
objects like

1254
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,920
and the answer is you know dealing with

1255
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,920
unidentified aerial phenomena these are

1256
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,319
objects moving relatively fast across

1257
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,400
the sky and astronomers are looking at

1258
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,960
distance sources and if a bird flies

1259
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,800
above an observatory the astronomers

1260
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,240
ignore it

1261
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,240
if you wanted to monitor the bird and

1262
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,559
say that it's really a bird what you

1263
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:50,720
need is a tracking system you need to

1264
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,359
look at the entire sky all the time take

1265
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,960
a video of the sky when you see an

1266
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,040
object of interest track it

1267
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,359
and that is that requires organizing

1268
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,880
your instruments in completely different

1269
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:02,960
way than was done before it also

1270
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,240
requires an ai algorithm

1271
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,920
machine learning algorithm that will

1272
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
tell you what this object is and whether

1273
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,680
it's of interest whether it's a bird a

1274
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,800
drone

1275
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,760
uh or a natural phenomena in which case

1276
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,079
i don't care too much about it

1277
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,880
or something else and that kind of a

1278
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,400
project was never done

1279
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,040
now with respect to muammar uh you know

1280
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,720
that was the first object that we saw

1281
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,160
from outside the solar system we were

1282
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:30,720
not prepared for that and now that we

1283
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,680
know what we might want to look at you

1284
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,440
know the

1285
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,960
goal is to

1286
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,200
date the next momoi it's just like going

1287
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,280
on a date you know you you met someone

1288
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,680
that you are really fascinated by that

1289
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,920
someone left

1290
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:47,599
the dating scene and now you're trying

1291
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,839
to find another one and um and so

1292
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,640
we

1293
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,359
first need to to identify an object of

1294
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:57,119
interest and there will be a telescope

1295
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:58,400
much more powerful than the one that

1296
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,920
discovered the momoi uh

1297
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,160
in chile within a couple of years it's

1298
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,760
called the vera rubin observatory we'll

1299
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,400
have a survey of the sky and we can find

1300
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,920
many more

1301
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,000
objects like omomoa that come from

1302
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,079
interstellar space and look weird and

1303
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,079
and then the idea is to fly a camera

1304
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,119
close to such an object as it passes by

1305
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,599
and take a close-up photograph and

1306
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,520
perhaps even land on it

1307
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,800
and then

1308
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
you know so that's the second branch of

1309
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,240
the galileo project the first branch is

1310
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,800
to build telescope systems on the ground

1311
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,760
that would try to study unidentified

1312
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,680
aerial phenomena and you know we're

1313
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,359
building the first telescope system on

1314
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,440
the roof of the harvard college

1315
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,599
observatory in the coming months and

1316
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,760
then we'll make copies of it and i

1317
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,000
should say one one last thing that as

1318
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:48,559
you know the u.s congress decided to

1319
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,680
establish an office in government over

1320
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,160
the past week

1321
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,640
decided that within six months from now

1322
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,640
there will be a new office that will

1323
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,359
basically coordinate the data assembly

1324
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,520
on unidentified aerial phenomena from

1325
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,880
the different sections that did not

1326
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,200
speak to each other within government

1327
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,839
and will study the data more seriously

1328
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,760
even though it's classified we might not

1329
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,440
see much of it but at least the

1330
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,760
government takes it seriously now

1331
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,480
and

1332
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,160
to me that's a very good indication

1333
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,240
because it will remove the stigma and

1334
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,960
the ridicule from this subject if the

1335
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,319
government the most conservative

1336
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:25,680
organization is dealing with it

1337
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,480
seriously investing funds in studying it

1338
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:30,400
it means it's a serious matter

1339
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,440
now

1340
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,200
the fact that the scientific community

1341
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:36,000
is late to the party uh is a little

1342
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,599
worrisome because it means that people

1343
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,559
are held by their prejudice they're less

1344
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,559
open-minded to explore

1345
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:44,400
uh these objects

1346
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,200
right

1347
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,680
carl sagan was so deeply interested in

1348
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,839
the ancient extraterrestrial connection

1349
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,920
ancient astronaut theory and then he was

1350
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,920
chastised by his narrow-minded

1351
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,680
colleagues he had to abandon it but i

1352
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,800
think sagan had it correct originally

1353
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,440
and it'd be just really incredible to

1354
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,000
see science come back around and take a

1355
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,640
look at carl sagan's original papers and

1356
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,000
what he had to say i think they would

1357
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,280
find it most illuminating

1358
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,200
uh you know just to just to sort of uh

1359
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,960
put this out there all right i'm not

1360
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,319
sure if you've given this any sort of

1361
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,880
consideration avi uh but you know

1362
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,640
there's a lot of people and of course

1363
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,079
you know we sort of have to filter

1364
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,040
through uh the authentic experiences and

1365
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,880
the ones that are not so authentic but

1366
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,720
there seems to be a lot of people out

1367
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,319
there that have

1368
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,040
had very close contact um very very

1369
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,040
close contact sometimes and i'm just

1370
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,880
curious if you've sort of given thought

1371
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,760
to potentially um you know has to cross

1372
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,680
your mind to sort of study these people

1373
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,680
in certain ways you know do they have a

1374
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,839
characteristic about them that maybe

1375
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,079
they share with other abductees that

1376
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,160
that maybe it's a reason why these

1377
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,520
things are happening i didn't know if

1378
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,599
that would that's a consideration as far

1379
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,480
as your concern yeah no um i mean

1380
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,799
we do have a subgroup within the galileo

1381
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,280
team that looks at external data most of

1382
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,040
the data that we will actually analyze

1383
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:05,359
scientifically will be assembled by

1384
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,319
the instruments that we built because

1385
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:10,960
you know in physics uh you cannot

1386
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,400
publish a scientific paper unless you're

1387
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,319
using instruments you can't just rely on

1388
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:18,319
eyewitness testimonies or

1389
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,760
that will not hold water in the

1390
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,400
scientific community and uh when you

1391
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,400
have data collected by instruments then

1392
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,880
anyone can analyze the data and you know

1393
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,359
it will be publicly available open in

1394
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,880
difference from the government-owned

1395
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,960
data which is classified mostly it's

1396
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,960
there is a huge iceberg we see just the

1397
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:36,160
tip of it

1398
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,119
so

1399
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,799
the the the

1400
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,280
innovation of the galileo project that i

1401
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,400
established about four months ago is

1402
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,440
that it will assemble

1403
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,440
new data that is open to the public

1404
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,359
using instruments that are off the shelf

1405
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,280
nothing would be classified

1406
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,599
and the analysis will be transparent and

1407
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:58,240
so in a way it's a breath of fresh air

1408
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,599
into this subject which um you know

1409
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,480
was

1410
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,559
speculated about by many people in the

1411
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,400
public because they didn't have access

1412
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,319
to the classified data from the

1413
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:09,920
government and at the same time the

1414
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,720
scientific community was uh ridiculing

1415
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,000
and and

1416
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,040
not even engaging in the study and what

1417
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,720
we're trying to do is change the

1418
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,960
intellectual landscape around it and

1419
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:22,960
make it part of the mainstream activity

1420
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,309
uh william not sure if you had any any

1421
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,359
sort of

1422
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,599
further perspective uh you know on that

1423
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,400
uh

1424
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,760
own way

1425
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,680
well it's just tremendously exciting

1426
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,200
what abi's doing with the with the

1427
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,400
galileo project and it's it's i think

1428
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,640
all a matter of kind of divine timing in

1429
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,280
a way there seems to be a almost like a

1430
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,160
metaphysical clock that's that's ticking

1431
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,960
um we're we're in a race against time

1432
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,040
some people believe a.i will will reach

1433
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,640
the singularity sometime in the next

1434
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,960
five years and ai will will turn and

1435
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,480
either treat us like kittens or perhaps

1436
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,040
destroy us all together so there's a lot

1437
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,119
of drama here and uh there should be

1438
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,119
plenty of motivation to solve these

1439
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,960
questions because

1440
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,359
we we are ultimately looking at not just

1441
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:12,720
discovering

1442
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,680
other civilizations but saving our own

1443
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,760
civilization and i think these two

1444
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,359
currents actually are going to merge

1445
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,400
into one and we're going to be finding

1446
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,960
in my estimation i at least i hope that

1447
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,440
that we will have some some help from

1448
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,119
from these uh

1449
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,960
space brothers space sisters

1450
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,559
extraterrestrials otherworldly

1451
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,280
intelligences that that want to bring us

1452
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:38,319
online into the the greater cosmos and

1453
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,119
um

1454
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,119
my my great hope and the same time my

1455
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,839
great fear is is that uh we we have

1456
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,160
enough time to be able to do that

1457
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,160
yeah william i just wanted to to add a

1458
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,160
footnote on what you just said because

1459
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,760
it always bothered me you know there are

1460
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,960
these

1461
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:54,799
books that talk about finding a love

1462
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,839
letter that its time has has passed and

1463
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,000
was never fulfilled and finding it in

1464
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,079
the attic when you come to to buy new

1465
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,319
houses and and i'm

1466
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,079
just worried that if we don't check our

1467
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,799
mailbox you know we will not find that

1468
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,680
package that has uh um

1469
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,400
uh some recipe for

1470
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,480
saving us in some sense be from

1471
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,799
ourselves in particular and it gives me

1472
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,839
chelsea

1473
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,240
yeah wow

1474
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,319
incredible thank you both so much you

1475
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,319
know we've uh sort of reached the the

1476
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,920
end of our hour i think this has been an

1477
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,559
incredibly fruitful conversation amongst

1478
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,799
us uh avi thank you so much for taking

1479
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,559
the time to come in william you as well

1480
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,400
and just want to let everybody know that

1481
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:38,319
we're we're just about to say goodbye

1482
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,680
here on the fate to black youtube but uh

1483
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:43,760
myself and william are going to continue

1484
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,599
our conversation we're heading over to

1485
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,040
oren.tv i'll put the link at the bottom

1486
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,040
of the screen shortly but just so you

1487
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,359
know and i think with that i'm going to

1488
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:54,319
bring

1489
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,160
mr jimmy church up on screen here

1490
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,040
avi thank you so much my friend

1491
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,559
thank you

1492
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:04,799
i i you know i say this to you all the

1493
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,240
time but uh on behalf of the entire

1494
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:11,200
community and beyond that the world

1495
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,000
uh

1496
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,640
thank you you're rolling the rock uphill

1497
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:16,799
you're you're taking chances

1498
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,480
um and you're doing this because of your

1499
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,920
belief system

1500
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,480
and that the quest for knowledge is more

1501
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,480
important and bringing this to the

1502
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,960
public and what you are doing right now

1503
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,960
is just extraordinary thank you for

1504
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,079
being an

1505
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,160
observer and i mean that happy holidays

1506
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,400
avi and if i may obvi as they say down

1507
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,640
at eagle works lab godspeed to you sir

1508
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:40,559
thank you very much for all you're doing

1509
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:43,839
thank you so much i appreciate it

1510
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,200
all right chris uh william we are i'm

1511
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,040
your host jimmy church we're gonna head

1512
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:51,680
over to oren now i've put up the links

1513
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:54,559
in twitter i've got them in the chat

1514
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,799
room i know chris has taken care of that

1515
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,160
too as well

1516
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,680
so now we're going to go over to oren

1517
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,200
where uh

1518
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:05,839
we can be adults

1519
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,480
let's do that right now and uh william

1520
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,480
chris i'll see you guys in a couple of

1521
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,160
minutes uh what a great conversation

1522
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,640
thank you guys so much and signing off

1523
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:16,799
for now we'll see everybody over on

1524
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,390
[Music]

1525
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,319
a shocking hard-hitting film exposing

1526
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,480
the darkest secrets of the fbi and ciao

1527
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,960
a thousand pieces is a coup being

1528
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,359
carried out

1529
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,240
before our very eyes

1530
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,079
you're allowed to protest millions of

1531
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,240
people on one day in crowds yelling

1532
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,760
screaming but you try to run your

1533
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,359
business you get arrested wall street

1534
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,319
has laundered 100 trillion dollars from

1535
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,200
trafficking in children and drugs the

1536
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,880
agency has dealt drugs throughout this

1537
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,720
country for a long time

1538
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,960
mr secretary is it policy of the u.s

1539
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,880
government to reward companies that

1540
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,040
traffic in women and little girls human

1541
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,280
trafficking has many more victims

1542
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:14,240
included in the complicity of the cia

1543
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,559
the fbi the justice department

1544
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,160
there's corruption on both sides these

1545
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,200
agencies are facing a time of reckoning

1546
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,400
are we at yet another crossroads

1547
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:29,280
get ready a thousand pieces

1548
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,559
it was

1549
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,760
so hard

1550
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:33,200
to come running out of a hell that

1551
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:34,160
nobody

1552
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:42,230
my name is kathy o'brien and i'm a

1553
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,440
survivor of mk ultra mind control

1554
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,640
the mk ultra program was to

1555
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:52,720
ultimately control the minds of the

1556
01:02:02,789 --> 01:01:56,319
population for implementing what adolf

1557
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,589
when girls reached age 30

1558
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,880
they were murdered or they were

1559
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,200
sacrificed

1560
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:11,280
i was going to be

1561
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:12,799
killed as well

1562
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:16,240
i was to go out in a blaze of glory and

1563
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:17,440
be

1564
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,309
i'm so

1565
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,680
fortunate

1566
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,280
that

1567
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,839
an intelligence insider

1568
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,319
who saw the kind of corruption that was

1569
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,839
going on in the highest levels of

1570
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,640
government decided to take action

1571
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,799
and rescued me

1572
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,640
and saved my life

1573
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,920
so that

1574
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:45,599
we could begin

1575
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:49,170
to expose what was being done

1576
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,470
ancient teachings around the world see

1577
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,400
family and community as containers for

1578
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,640
wisdom the stability and connectivity of

1579
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,240
the family is seen as necessary to

1580
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,880
ensure that information travels intact

1581
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,119
from one's ancestors through the stable

1582
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,440
family and into the community where it's

1583
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,280
bundled and prepared to be sent as far

1584
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,119
into the future as possible

1585
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,599
but for decades a quiet war has been

1586
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,240
waged by globalists communists and

1587
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,640
social engineers with a single target in

1588
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,839
their sights

1589
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,559
the traditional family unit can we

1590
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:31,200
rediscover this ancient ideal of family

1591
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,549
superorganism the family unit coming

1592
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:39,760
soon

1593
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:44,720
[Music]

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01:04:09,750 --> 01:03:59,130
[Applause]